1 00:00:10,970 --> 00:00:01,939 this is James Randi and you're listening 2 00:00:13,850 --> 00:00:10,980 to the skeptic zone welcome to the 3 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:13,860 skeptic zone the podcast from Australia 4 00:00:32,650 --> 00:00:29,230 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 5 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:32,660 episode number 280 for the second of 6 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:36,559 March 2014 Richard Saunders here with 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:39,890 you from Sydney Australia a bit soggy 8 00:00:46,930 --> 00:00:42,650 this weekend coming up on this week's 9 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:46,940 show dr. Richie and I interview Chaz 10 00:00:51,369 --> 00:00:49,489 licciardello from the check out program 11 00:00:53,229 --> 00:00:51,379 now many Australian listeners will be 12 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:53,239 very familiar with Chaz and the chaser 13 00:00:59,049 --> 00:00:55,489 team for the chases war on everything 14 00:01:01,660 --> 00:00:59,059 CNN and then Planet Amerika lots of 15 00:01:04,030 --> 00:01:01,670 shows from the chase of people Chaz is 16 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:04,040 now one of the people behind the new 17 00:01:08,740 --> 00:01:06,110 show that check out well it's in its 18 00:01:11,380 --> 00:01:08,750 second series this is all about consumer 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:11,390 affairs and done with a pretty funny 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:13,490 twist but it's really really good 21 00:01:19,810 --> 00:01:16,850 information and many times good 22 00:01:21,969 --> 00:01:19,820 skeptical information so chat with 23 00:01:24,399 --> 00:01:21,979 chairs from the check out learn a little 24 00:01:26,770 --> 00:01:24,409 bit about the behind-the-scenes action 25 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:26,780 and following that we have a clip from 26 00:01:35,380 --> 00:01:30,710 the most recent show all about gluten 27 00:01:38,590 --> 00:01:35,390 free food following that it's a week in 28 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:38,600 science from our friends at RI aus org 29 00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:40,369 dot au the Royal Institution of 30 00:01:45,910 --> 00:01:42,560 australia this week rather a serious 31 00:01:47,709 --> 00:01:45,920 subject really organ donation and then 32 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:47,719 to round off the show more from dr. Neil 33 00:01:54,999 --> 00:01:52,310 deGrasse Tyson and andrian who are just 34 00:01:57,819 --> 00:01:55,009 about to launch the new cosmos series on 35 00:02:01,029 --> 00:01:57,829 the world I was very fortunate to attend 36 00:02:03,099 --> 00:02:01,039 a special screening of the first episode 37 00:02:04,899 --> 00:02:03,109 of cosmos here in Sydney at the sydney 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:04,909 opera house and i'm going to play some 39 00:02:10,449 --> 00:02:07,850 audio from that evening question and 40 00:02:11,740 --> 00:02:10,459 answers and more comments but stay tuned 41 00:02:16,059 --> 00:02:11,750 after that at the end of the show 42 00:02:18,309 --> 00:02:16,069 details of how you can win a little 43 00:02:21,250 --> 00:02:18,319 prize pack from cosmos courtesy of the 44 00:02:23,710 --> 00:02:21,260 national geographic channel consisting 45 00:02:26,949 --> 00:02:23,720 of amongst other things an autographed 46 00:02:30,309 --> 00:02:26,959 copy of the cosmos book autographed by 47 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:30,319 dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson and andrian but 48 00:02:34,270 --> 00:02:31,850 before we kick off the show with the 49 00:02:36,399 --> 00:02:34,280 interview with the chairs from the check 50 00:02:38,230 --> 00:02:36,409 out I've been told that there's going to 51 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:38,240 be a skeptic camp 52 00:02:44,650 --> 00:02:41,390 brisbane yeah good old brisbane on the 53 00:02:47,230 --> 00:02:44,660 19th of july at hamilton town hall the 54 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:47,240 best thing to do is to go to the website 55 00:02:54,490 --> 00:02:52,270 breeze skepta camp org also don't forget 56 00:02:57,640 --> 00:02:54,500 sydneysiders sydney skeptics in the pub 57 00:03:00,580 --> 00:02:57,650 the first thursday of the month at the 58 00:03:03,460 --> 00:03:00,590 crown hotel and we also have a great 59 00:03:06,310 --> 00:03:03,470 dinner coming up in sydney on march the 60 00:03:09,220 --> 00:03:06,320 29 about technophobia with a really 61 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:09,230 interesting speaker Ketton joshi more 62 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:11,530 information about all that head to ww 63 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:15,020 skeptics com au where you can also 64 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:17,450 subscribe to the magazine the skeptic 65 00:03:23,950 --> 00:03:19,370 but for now it's time for me to run 66 00:03:27,910 --> 00:03:23,960 downstairs look for some nice some blue 67 00:03:29,890 --> 00:03:27,920 cheese quite partial to blue cheese well 68 00:03:42,449 --> 00:03:29,900 I'm doing that I hope you enjoy the 69 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:44,470 you can have confidence in the 70 00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:46,310 information on the check out because 71 00:03:55,869 --> 00:03:53,740 the results show that the checkout 72 00:03:58,059 --> 00:03:55,879 reduces stress while shopping increases 73 00:04:05,320 --> 00:03:58,069 knowledge of Consumer Affairs and boosts 74 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:05,330 wellness seenus it's the only consumer 75 00:04:14,199 --> 00:04:10,489 affairs show with proven results tired 76 00:04:16,330 --> 00:04:14,209 stressed you'll feel better on switching 77 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:16,340 to the chicken returns thursday at eight 78 00:04:23,469 --> 00:04:20,329 on abc1 well i'm here in the Palacios 79 00:04:25,180 --> 00:04:23,479 plush green room at the abc we're behind 80 00:04:27,550 --> 00:04:25,190 the scenes as where I'm with dr. Reggie 81 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:27,560 hello dr. Richie hello dr. Richard have 82 00:04:32,409 --> 00:04:30,380 dr. no and we're with the chairs lucha 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:32,419 de la hello can I be dr. chairs just for 84 00:04:37,450 --> 00:04:35,930 this podcast you can now of course I'm 85 00:04:39,490 --> 00:04:37,460 sure listeners in Australia very easily 86 00:04:41,770 --> 00:04:39,500 with chairs and not chase the team the 87 00:04:44,529 --> 00:04:41,780 hamster wheel team the CNN and n team 88 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:44,539 the planet USA team or all of the above 89 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:46,310 I don't think the chaser would like to 90 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:48,110 take credit for Plan America that's just 91 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:50,300 made all the rest of the rest was Joseph 92 00:04:55,390 --> 00:04:52,660 I known American that of course all 93 00:04:57,310 --> 00:04:55,400 interesting shows platinum America was a 94 00:05:00,070 --> 00:04:57,320 bit of a departure for you i think it 95 00:05:03,550 --> 00:05:00,080 was sort of straight it was a departure 96 00:05:06,370 --> 00:05:03,560 from they may that you guys know the 97 00:05:09,219 --> 00:05:06,380 mayor get naked a lot and dresses up 98 00:05:11,890 --> 00:05:09,229 like a chicken but uh but the actual may 99 00:05:13,330 --> 00:05:11,900 is a massive geek it's one of the things 100 00:05:14,980 --> 00:05:13,340 not that anyone really cares about a 101 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:14,990 chaser but one of the unknown things 102 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:17,060 about the chaser is that people confuse 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:19,490 my personality with Julian's personality 104 00:05:23,260 --> 00:05:21,410 because of the way the character we play 105 00:05:25,270 --> 00:05:23,270 on screen they think that Julian's like 106 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:25,280 this really straight-laced old guy and 107 00:05:31,270 --> 00:05:28,910 I'm on this freaky drunk so the jackass 108 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:31,280 style person when the actual fact Julian 109 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:33,530 is the wild child of the chaser and I am 110 00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:36,050 that uber geek I spend my entire life on 111 00:05:40,210 --> 00:05:38,030 the internet just ring science articles 112 00:05:41,890 --> 00:05:40,220 and stuff and they they're so actually 113 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:41,900 an American politics which is why 114 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:43,520 playing America was right down my out 115 00:05:47,050 --> 00:05:45,410 yeah like I'm into american politics I'm 116 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:47,060 a nerd was an interesting shot and like 117 00:05:53,290 --> 00:05:49,280 you have it agree in science I do i do I 118 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:53,300 are you you can read Wikipedia register 119 00:06:00,670 --> 00:05:58,850 you know I once had ambitions of 120 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:00,680 actually being a science teacher and 121 00:06:06,170 --> 00:06:04,110 unfortunately TV TV dragged me away from 122 00:06:10,270 --> 00:06:06,180 a respectable career and look I become 123 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:10,280 it's a real shame and just in passing i 124 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:12,570 mentioned that i'm good friends were 125 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:14,010 married to people at the independent 126 00:06:18,140 --> 00:06:16,530 investigations group in hollywood iig 127 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:18,150 and the hamster they gave the hamster 128 00:06:21,770 --> 00:06:19,770 wheel a special award last year yes 129 00:06:23,930 --> 00:06:21,780 which was very flattering yes I if we 130 00:06:25,580 --> 00:06:23,940 can't get lucky thats the in fact it's 131 00:06:28,910 --> 00:06:25,590 not the luggage that's much better thank 132 00:06:30,260 --> 00:06:28,920 you so you've come to the notice of 133 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:30,270 skeptical groups around the world for 134 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:32,610 the shows that you've been involved with 135 00:06:36,350 --> 00:06:34,170 and we can talk about the check out now 136 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:36,360 which is it at second series on the ABC 137 00:06:41,630 --> 00:06:39,810 and basically for the those listeners in 138 00:06:44,420 --> 00:06:41,640 Australia who may remember in the 1980s 139 00:06:46,190 --> 00:06:44,430 there was a great show which became very 140 00:06:48,410 --> 00:06:46,200 popular called the investigators and 141 00:06:51,050 --> 00:06:48,420 you've no doubt seen tapes of and I saw 142 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:51,060 it when it was it every single segment 143 00:06:57,140 --> 00:06:53,850 of our shows directory but I don't doubt 144 00:06:59,030 --> 00:06:57,150 which was consumer investigations is 145 00:07:01,580 --> 00:06:59,040 this product dodgy what can you do about 146 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:01,590 it it almost turned into a sort of a 147 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:03,210 today tonight would they'd be chasing 148 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:04,850 dodging people and all the rest of it 149 00:07:10,310 --> 00:07:07,410 and this is really carrying on that 150 00:07:12,110 --> 00:07:10,320 tradition isn't it yeah well Jules 151 00:07:14,060 --> 00:07:12,120 Julian's idea the check out and he 152 00:07:16,010 --> 00:07:14,070 definitely had the investigators in mind 153 00:07:17,780 --> 00:07:16,020 the way he pitched it to us was he said 154 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:17,790 it's time to bring that kind of show 155 00:07:22,190 --> 00:07:20,460 back and update it and to to jazz it up 156 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:22,200 a little bit we definitely never wanted 157 00:07:25,610 --> 00:07:24,090 to do the foot foot in door type stuff 158 00:07:27,710 --> 00:07:25,620 like is obviously what happened was 159 00:07:29,210 --> 00:07:27,720 investigated at first and then a career 160 00:07:31,550 --> 00:07:29,220 fair and today tonight that put their 161 00:07:33,290 --> 00:07:31,560 own spin on that kind of info commerce 162 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:33,300 journalism and it's not morphed from 163 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:35,730 there and we just decided that kind of 164 00:07:39,380 --> 00:07:37,800 stuff that's highest that's how its 165 00:07:41,660 --> 00:07:39,390 shelf life and we've had enough going 166 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:41,670 out in the community and causing trouble 167 00:07:45,980 --> 00:07:44,160 ourselves and so we thought we'd leave 168 00:07:48,830 --> 00:07:45,990 that out of it but would just bring our 169 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:48,840 own mindset because obviously all other 170 00:07:51,860 --> 00:07:50,010 shows we've done in the past like the 171 00:07:54,050 --> 00:07:51,870 war and everything and and especially 172 00:07:56,030 --> 00:07:54,060 hamster wheel has had it very much the 173 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:56,040 same mindset a kind of I feel well a 174 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:57,780 skeptical mindset and we've always 175 00:08:01,070 --> 00:07:59,250 thought seeing ourselves as kind of 176 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:01,080 detectors I mean and whatever 177 00:08:05,450 --> 00:08:03,090 the field that we're involved in and we 178 00:08:06,770 --> 00:08:05,460 thought Consumer Affairs is it something 179 00:08:07,230 --> 00:08:06,780 that lends itself to that kind of 180 00:08:08,670 --> 00:08:07,240 attitude 181 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:08,680 and there was nothing on TV that was 182 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:10,000 doing that so I thought well there's a 183 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:11,650 gap in the market let's not make the 184 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:13,120 same show every single year for the rest 185 00:08:17,249 --> 00:08:15,190 of our lives let's try because you keep 186 00:08:18,809 --> 00:08:17,259 reinventing yourself we look over what 187 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:18,819 you and your colleagues have done over 188 00:08:22,589 --> 00:08:20,889 the years it does change you do you do 189 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:22,599 tocantins well we try to we try not to 190 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:23,889 do the same show for more than three 191 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:25,960 years in a row because we just it's very 192 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:27,550 easy to get style and it just keeps you 193 00:08:34,199 --> 00:08:31,180 interested and also be it's I feel like 194 00:08:35,730 --> 00:08:34,209 they that what we've tried to do over 195 00:08:38,850 --> 00:08:35,740 the years I know if we achieve it but 196 00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:38,860 what we try and do is we try and mix 197 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:41,140 something that's smart with something 198 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:43,510 that's really stupid because if you do 199 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:45,730 if you do really smart detailed research 200 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:48,970 driven shows which we tend to try to do 201 00:08:53,790 --> 00:08:51,190 it gets very boring and people just tune 202 00:08:56,639 --> 00:08:53,800 out but we figure we have we have either 203 00:08:59,040 --> 00:08:56,649 if you call it a gift or whether I know 204 00:09:01,079 --> 00:08:59,050 what you call it they about that we we 205 00:09:04,079 --> 00:09:01,089 have this thing where we just it's the 206 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:04,089 curse of a DD where we just can't go for 207 00:09:07,530 --> 00:09:05,649 more than 30 seconds at making some 208 00:09:10,019 --> 00:09:07,540 cheap joke and we discovered that if you 209 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:10,029 condense all those those cheap jokes 210 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:12,430 over the top of the research it's the 211 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:15,490 old spoonful of sugar yeah a spoonful of 212 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:17,260 sugar pills helps an S and go down and 213 00:09:22,139 --> 00:09:20,320 RV and that's what we try and do and so 214 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:22,149 what we actually look for is for the 215 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:24,640 driest possible area and go can we spice 216 00:09:29,579 --> 00:09:26,529 that up right right and we thought 217 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:29,589 consumer affairs is pretty dry so we're 218 00:09:33,870 --> 00:09:31,510 doing our best well of course a minute 219 00:09:36,870 --> 00:09:33,880 every time you look at a subject on the 220 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:36,880 checkout it's done in a very humorous 221 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:38,800 over-the-top way with people jumping out 222 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:40,390 of things and well you never know what 223 00:09:44,910 --> 00:09:42,610 to expect yeah um which keeps it very 224 00:09:45,690 --> 00:09:44,920 lively well yeah we do get a lot of I 225 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:45,700 must have made me do get a lot of 226 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:47,290 complaints about that because something 227 00:09:52,590 --> 00:09:49,990 which which you might not realize is I 228 00:09:54,780 --> 00:09:52,600 look let's try something out what do you 229 00:09:58,740 --> 00:09:54,790 think the median age of the ABCs 230 00:10:03,600 --> 00:09:58,750 viewership is take a guess medium medium 231 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:03,610 medium refuge yeah I'd say 59 let me 232 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:04,990 give you some numbers let me do some 233 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:06,850 numbers that I don't remember i remember 234 00:10:10,530 --> 00:10:09,130 every other channel exactly but every at 235 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:10,540 the commercial channels are somewhere 236 00:10:17,730 --> 00:10:13,270 between 42 and 48 from memory their 237 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:17,740 median age viewership Gabby sees is 63 238 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:20,410 it's a very old viewership did pretty 239 00:10:27,270 --> 00:10:25,750 well there dr. right you win the view 240 00:10:30,210 --> 00:10:27,280 and the managing director ship of the 241 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:30,220 absa uh anyway and so as a result of 242 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:31,930 that all these i mean that's the median 243 00:10:35,370 --> 00:10:33,910 which means there's an awful other 70 244 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:35,380 year olds neighs year olds watching ABC 245 00:10:39,270 --> 00:10:37,360 as well now I'm not sure they really 246 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:39,280 enjoy our editing very much I think they 247 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:41,350 might find a little bit Freddy and some 248 00:10:44,370 --> 00:10:43,210 of you are probably right yeah and so we 249 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:44,380 are they would remember the 250 00:10:48,030 --> 00:10:46,630 investigators whole they certainly do 251 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:48,040 and they were not frenetic without 252 00:10:52,410 --> 00:10:50,860 editing at that point in time so um we 253 00:10:54,540 --> 00:10:52,420 do get a fair number of complaints about 254 00:10:56,340 --> 00:10:54,550 that they go who exactly you're making 255 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:56,350 this show for I can barely follow it and 256 00:11:02,820 --> 00:10:57,490 we just figure we can though you got a 257 00:11:04,950 --> 00:11:02,830 video just just watch it again a good 258 00:11:07,650 --> 00:11:04,960 example of of Europe I guess we're young 259 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:07,660 I evening for was particularly a 260 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:09,910 particularly good show which I really 261 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:11,740 enjoyed last year of the check out where 262 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:13,300 you looked at the Australia tax for lack 263 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:14,710 of a better word especially when it 264 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:17,680 comes to things like iTunes hmm software 265 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:20,860 companies working on a huge extra cost 266 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:23,110 simply because you're in Australia and 267 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:25,630 want to download the exact same bits and 268 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:27,100 bytes and there's more coming on that 269 00:11:30,510 --> 00:11:29,110 because we does that struck a chord with 270 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:30,520 a lot of our viewers and they send us a 271 00:11:33,810 --> 00:11:32,200 lot of tip office about that and one of 272 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:33,820 them i'll just give you a sneak preview 273 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:36,130 here and couldn't believe this one was 274 00:11:41,340 --> 00:11:39,370 about a car rental company in Melbourne 275 00:11:44,820 --> 00:11:41,350 which shows in there was near the 276 00:11:47,610 --> 00:11:44,830 airport and if you hire the same car and 277 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:47,620 you are you having a strag and driver's 278 00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:50,710 license versus if you hire exactly same 279 00:11:53,970 --> 00:11:52,240 car for exactly the same period of time 280 00:11:56,310 --> 00:11:53,980 from this Melbourne car rental place and 281 00:11:59,490 --> 00:11:56,320 you haven't have a Canadian passport you 282 00:12:01,560 --> 00:11:59,500 get charged less it just makes no sense 283 00:12:04,530 --> 00:12:01,570 whatsoever they charge you more because 284 00:12:05,970 --> 00:12:04,540 they can charge you yeah yeah so yeah so 285 00:12:07,230 --> 00:12:05,980 there'll be a bit more on that that's 286 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:07,240 interesting you think that charging 287 00:12:12,570 --> 00:12:08,560 Walker's that we used to driving on the 288 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:12,580 other side good good that's a bit 289 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:14,050 amazing know another thing I like about 290 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:16,570 that the the check out particularly is 291 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:20,260 you really encourage people to contact 292 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:22,570 you with tips and information people got 293 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:25,060 the fu tube which is hilarious yeah and 294 00:12:27,810 --> 00:12:26,380 that Jules is very big on that one that 295 00:12:30,380 --> 00:12:27,820 was actually part of his initial vision 296 00:12:34,460 --> 00:12:30,390 that as much as possible he likes 297 00:12:37,790 --> 00:12:34,470 two have actual viewer view our YouTube 298 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:37,800 clips leading into stories and oh yeah 299 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:41,190 we do I can promise you that I'm not 300 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:43,710 just we I personally read every single 301 00:12:48,350 --> 00:12:46,260 email that we get and I would say at 302 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:48,360 least half our content comes from 303 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:51,630 viewers hmm so the it's very very useful 304 00:12:54,980 --> 00:12:53,130 and I can actually see those part of the 305 00:12:57,890 --> 00:12:54,990 mission because you know in these days 306 00:12:59,840 --> 00:12:57,900 of ABC efficiency when people go why is 307 00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:59,850 the ABC there I kind of like the idea 308 00:13:03,410 --> 00:13:01,680 even though I'm not playing together 309 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:03,420 with any sense subcommittee soon and 310 00:13:06,770 --> 00:13:05,550 testify I do like the idea of going well 311 00:13:09,500 --> 00:13:06,780 you know if this is a commercial show 312 00:13:11,570 --> 00:13:09,510 we'd be ignoring a zane house but we 313 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:11,580 actually we actually do read those 314 00:13:16,310 --> 00:13:14,160 emails and we respond to as many as we 315 00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:16,320 can there's way too many respond to but 316 00:13:19,850 --> 00:13:17,700 especially people ask questions they 317 00:13:24,050 --> 00:13:19,860 just ask advice but which is really kind 318 00:13:26,390 --> 00:13:24,060 of sad they trust us even serious advice 319 00:13:27,770 --> 00:13:26,400 about their legal situation but just a 320 00:13:30,830 --> 00:13:27,780 bizarre motor several all degrees anyway 321 00:13:32,570 --> 00:13:30,840 so the so we do try and respond and 322 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:32,580 actually give them advice and then we 323 00:13:36,980 --> 00:13:34,350 have to do that but I just seen as part 324 00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:36,990 of our mission statement yeah there's a 325 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:38,880 legal minefield what you do is it all 326 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:41,700 time yeah oh is it ever you would not 327 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:43,650 believe it because I think number one 328 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:45,750 that the companies that we're talking 329 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:47,610 about here have deep pockets and like 330 00:13:51,470 --> 00:13:50,040 the surf right very frequently so it 331 00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:51,480 said that so there's a real issue there 332 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:53,430 as we've discovered over over again 333 00:13:59,570 --> 00:13:57,330 already but on top of that it's this is 334 00:14:02,210 --> 00:13:59,580 a kind of area where it's just so 335 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:02,220 complicated that it's very difficult to 336 00:14:06,020 --> 00:14:04,350 there are there are a lot of shades of 337 00:14:07,490 --> 00:14:06,030 gray in this area you know and that's 338 00:14:09,020 --> 00:14:07,500 the reason why people don't understand 339 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:09,030 it because it's too complicated than the 340 00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:10,850 bother and I think often companies 341 00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:13,380 intentionally make it complicated so you 342 00:14:17,180 --> 00:14:15,360 can't get like banks meant why banks and 343 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:17,190 all they're charging stuff no one can 344 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:19,440 get to the bomber that notice it's too 345 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:21,210 much information yeah yeah it's in it's 346 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:24,360 intentionally made made inscrutable yeah 347 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:26,160 we do place which is give me an episode 348 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:29,040 3 I think about managed funds oh yeah 349 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:30,930 now the managed funds industry it just 350 00:14:34,820 --> 00:14:32,940 it took us weeks to understand what was 351 00:14:36,140 --> 00:14:34,830 going on there I don't even think the 352 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:36,150 people involved in this screen I was 353 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:37,350 going on there is 354 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:39,090 so hot so yeah there's a lot of research 355 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:41,510 well the episode they just went to air 356 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:46,650 had a story on the credit cards yes yes 357 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:48,930 yes paying off your minimum balance all 358 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:50,910 the right absolutely yeah yeah and we 359 00:14:53,870 --> 00:14:52,110 try to have as much of that kind of 360 00:14:55,130 --> 00:14:53,880 thing as possible because once again no 361 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:55,140 one else is going to do that and the 362 00:14:59,480 --> 00:14:56,850 reason why that don't do that it's hard 363 00:15:01,220 --> 00:14:59,490 it's really hard and so we figured you 364 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:01,230 know like yeah we've all got our law 365 00:15:05,660 --> 00:15:04,170 degrees we where people who like going 366 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:05,670 through scientific papers and stuff 367 00:15:09,130 --> 00:15:07,800 we're just when nerds so we're not going 368 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:09,140 to do it who's going to do it Kashi 369 00:15:18,380 --> 00:15:14,310 maybe I'm yet to say that never know we 370 00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,390 live in hope it's yeah it's funny how we 371 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:20,160 end up doing like I'm not in very 372 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:22,530 financial person but just yeah like I 373 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:24,930 said if by the way I should say you your 374 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:26,010 listeners might be wondering why you're 375 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:27,990 even talking to me like what why I'm not 376 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:30,030 Julian or crackling I actually work on 377 00:15:34,370 --> 00:15:32,310 the show it's not a I'm the guy in 378 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:34,380 charge of the scripts so yeah I'm the 379 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:36,570 script editor so so we all right stuff 380 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:38,280 together and then I polish it over and 381 00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:40,380 basically I'm the guy behind the scenes 382 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:41,640 while everyone else is filming stuff 383 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:42,660 because when you're filming stuff on TV 384 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:44,610 you just don't have time to dot the i's 385 00:15:48,890 --> 00:15:46,380 and cross the t's and so the advantage 386 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:48,900 of the chaser since there's 500 of us no 387 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:51,060 one of us can be taken care of that 388 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:52,470 while everyone else is putting their 389 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:54,690 pretty face on TV so I have to be across 390 00:15:57,830 --> 00:15:55,800 all this research that's a result 391 00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:57,840 without then and it's um it does weigh 392 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:00,720 you down I myself but is it a hundred at 393 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,910 least refreshing change not to be the 394 00:16:07,970 --> 00:16:04,800 character on the team oh yeah yeah look 395 00:16:10,850 --> 00:16:07,980 I'll be honest the only reason why why I 396 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,860 do TV at all I don't like appear on 397 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:12,240 camera at all is because you get paid 398 00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:16,110 twice as much why does get screwed over 399 00:16:21,830 --> 00:16:19,020 in SJ entire industry said danger money 400 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:21,840 from no pants I think they are you 401 00:16:28,190 --> 00:16:23,850 audience to get deja money for watching 402 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:28,200 me with no tax lien basically if you're 403 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:30,300 if you're the world's best writer and 404 00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:32,970 you walk into a board meeting with a TV 405 00:16:37,190 --> 00:16:35,100 management type and you go I'd like to 406 00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:37,200 do a TV show forgot who are you but if 407 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:39,720 you're if you're I don't know Shelly 408 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:42,690 craft and you walk into a TV management 409 00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,610 meeting and you go I'd like this TV show 410 00:16:49,210 --> 00:16:46,800 oh you're Shelly craft we recognize you 411 00:16:50,590 --> 00:16:49,220 so you guys it's just the way TV works 412 00:16:52,030 --> 00:16:50,600 so you'll need to get your face in front 413 00:16:53,889 --> 00:16:52,040 of the camera every now and then just so 414 00:16:56,499 --> 00:16:53,899 you have a bit of cachet and you get 415 00:16:59,050 --> 00:16:56,509 paid more but the i hate it i don't like 416 00:17:02,139 --> 00:16:59,060 filming stuff I much prefer writing and 417 00:17:04,990 --> 00:17:02,149 just doing there I'm a geek yeah I like 418 00:17:06,819 --> 00:17:05,000 doing the geek stuff but mother you must 419 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:06,829 be nice to at least have a change and 420 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:08,089 it's great it's great that every single 421 00:17:12,939 --> 00:17:10,039 topic you'll spend a week diving in 422 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:12,949 there and just yeah you'll be neck-deep 423 00:17:17,049 --> 00:17:15,470 in chlorophyll studies and stuff and 424 00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:17,059 then the next next week you'll be doing 425 00:17:21,159 --> 00:17:18,559 some completely different which is 426 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:21,169 that's fun right they're just getting 427 00:17:27,309 --> 00:17:22,610 back to what we were discussing with the 428 00:17:29,529 --> 00:17:27,319 legal minefield and you do get probably 429 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:29,539 nasty letters from legal representative 430 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:32,000 as you are saying yes and we I don't 431 00:17:34,659 --> 00:17:33,530 know how much you can talk about I don't 432 00:17:36,669 --> 00:17:34,669 know what's in front of the courts of 433 00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:36,679 the moment with the Swiss I I can talk 434 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:41,840 much more than I should um this is why 435 00:17:46,779 --> 00:17:45,110 those things where you just listeners 436 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:46,789 benefits it's a Swiss vitamin come yes 437 00:17:51,789 --> 00:17:49,210 yes yes and we were making interesting 438 00:17:54,250 --> 00:17:51,799 claims yeah well look look the legal 439 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:54,260 situation well it's about is essentially 440 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:56,450 you can look there's not can drive if I 441 00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,250 was going to generalize you can have a 442 00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:00,559 go at any company you like yeah but when 443 00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:03,200 you when you make a claim of an 444 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:04,640 individual that's when it gets in the 445 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:06,530 defamation companies can't be defined 446 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:08,570 individuals can be derived generally 447 00:18:14,169 --> 00:18:11,809 speaking yeah now the Swiss violins 448 00:18:15,460 --> 00:18:14,179 story we we were basically it wasn't 449 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:15,470 really in about Swiss there's about the 450 00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:18,770 TGA which is the regulators of of these 451 00:18:22,539 --> 00:18:20,960 vitamin pills etc and will basically 452 00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:22,549 sanity Jo rubbish yes and their 453 00:18:26,380 --> 00:18:24,320 regulation process is a joke and people 454 00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:26,390 just make whatever stupid claims they 455 00:18:30,490 --> 00:18:27,919 like you didn't basically see you 456 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:30,500 actually said it as a joke yes very much 457 00:18:33,789 --> 00:18:32,450 so these villagers make up what other 458 00:18:36,130 --> 00:18:33,799 claims they like with very little 459 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:36,140 evidence and the TGA basically rubber 460 00:18:40,690 --> 00:18:38,090 stamps until someone complains and then 461 00:18:43,090 --> 00:18:40,700 when song complains is it's very onerous 462 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:43,100 process which clicks into its a gear 463 00:18:46,930 --> 00:18:45,110 after two years the TGA will say well 464 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:46,940 you can't say that and then they'll just 465 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:48,110 change a name and then say 466 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:49,820 yeah like that's basically what we were 467 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:51,290 alleging now I can repeat all that 468 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:54,410 because none less defamatory but the as 469 00:18:59,200 --> 00:18:57,080 part of that report we noted that we 470 00:19:01,600 --> 00:18:59,210 focused on Swiss in particular because 471 00:19:03,940 --> 00:19:01,610 they just other face of this kind of 472 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:03,950 product when I say when I say it's can't 473 00:19:07,150 --> 00:19:04,940 programming the whole vitamin industry 474 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:07,160 right I they advertise all over the 475 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:09,200 place so we focus on them and as part of 476 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:12,410 that process we noted that the that some 477 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:15,049 of the items that were tested by Swiss 478 00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,049 the evidence they presented was tested 479 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,440 by the father of the CEO now here's an 480 00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:23,120 individual right and he said oh hang on 481 00:19:25,870 --> 00:19:24,559 you're linking me dog you've been 482 00:19:28,030 --> 00:19:25,880 talking about now that's defamation 483 00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:28,040 you're saying I'm dodgy so I'm taking a 484 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:29,270 course so that's what the court case is 485 00:19:34,060 --> 00:19:32,210 all about right and we obviously are 486 00:19:36,340 --> 00:19:34,070 going to disagree with his his 487 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,350 suggestions are allegations and it's 488 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:37,520 going to take years and years and years 489 00:19:40,510 --> 00:19:39,049 because that's how defamation works I 490 00:19:42,940 --> 00:19:40,520 actually think that hold information 491 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:42,950 situation I'm really saying is but I 492 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:43,910 really think the health information 493 00:19:49,150 --> 00:19:45,770 situation in Australia's kind of joke 494 00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:49,160 because poor people don't sue other 495 00:19:54,039 --> 00:19:51,440 people for defamation rich people stupid 496 00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:54,049 people we have power can make themselves 497 00:19:58,990 --> 00:19:56,480 even more powerful by using defamation 498 00:20:00,970 --> 00:19:59,000 law against other people and I if I had 499 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:00,980 my way there would be or at least the 500 00:20:05,710 --> 00:20:03,049 defamation law would be reformed greatly 501 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:05,720 but I don't get my way and so we're just 502 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:07,490 going to do our best and what the 503 00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:09,110 situation the UK has been changing 504 00:20:13,570 --> 00:20:11,540 because of the libel laws there which 505 00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:13,580 you may know something about a good 506 00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:15,830 friend of ours dr. Simon Singh was taken 507 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:17,660 to task by the chiropractor's yeah hold 508 00:20:21,490 --> 00:20:20,090 them out yeah and there's big court 509 00:20:23,860 --> 00:20:21,500 battles and shoot but they are changing 510 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:23,870 the law which is a good thing spy who 511 00:20:27,970 --> 00:20:25,730 knows maybe in this country hopefully 512 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:27,980 hopefully I well the are we we have a we 513 00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,510 have a government that is supposedly 514 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:31,280 about free enterprise I will argue that 515 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:33,530 free enterprise will prosper if there is 516 00:20:38,409 --> 00:20:36,290 less defamation law yeah I would say 517 00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:38,419 whether the lawyers won't prosper so 518 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:42,350 much ok anyway chcesz it's it's uh again 519 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:43,910 it's wonderful that the show is on the I 520 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:45,770 enjoyed it immensely can't wait to see 521 00:20:49,390 --> 00:20:47,450 that the next episode I learn it 522 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:49,400 something on every up so especially when 523 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:52,010 we did the one about the iTunes gala yea 524 00:20:57,940 --> 00:20:56,450 which was eye-opening for me the fact 525 00:20:59,770 --> 00:20:57,950 that you don't need to keep the original 526 00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,780 box when you buy something I ya know 527 00:21:03,790 --> 00:21:01,760 that I've had shelves full of 528 00:21:05,860 --> 00:21:03,800 boxes are leaving Austin even receipts 529 00:21:07,930 --> 00:21:05,870 you don't say that usually use need some 530 00:21:09,130 --> 00:21:07,940 kind of proof and the credit card the 531 00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,140 credit card account is a proof of 532 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:11,600 purchase yeah yes I know it's it's it's 533 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:13,010 a my I learn a lot on this show myself 534 00:21:16,750 --> 00:21:14,690 actually when where when the air when 535 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:16,760 we're studying stuff it's agonizing will 536 00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,390 produce a book ah look look I mean it 537 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:22,880 could but to be honest we've always 538 00:21:27,670 --> 00:21:25,850 incredibly slack at doing anything else 539 00:21:29,950 --> 00:21:27,680 when we're doing TV I please have a 540 00:21:31,450 --> 00:21:29,960 newspaper which anyway we had the worst 541 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:31,460 business model in the world the chase 542 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:32,810 was originally newspaper and we would 543 00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:35,690 spent ages slaving over every Edition 544 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:37,940 trying to build literally subscriber by 545 00:21:41,020 --> 00:21:39,350 subscriber we'd start off where the o 546 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:41,030 two thousand subscribers only takes six 547 00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:43,490 months to build painstaking like the two 548 00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:45,020 thousand two hundred subscribers and 549 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:46,760 then we'd be on TV and you think okay 550 00:21:50,050 --> 00:21:48,350 this is the time where you can 551 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:50,060 capitalize and get lots and lots of 552 00:21:58,750 --> 00:21:52,130 extra subscribers and we just stopped 553 00:22:01,450 --> 00:21:58,760 doing it yeah and then at the end of the 554 00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:01,460 TV we actually have less subscribe go it 555 00:22:06,850 --> 00:22:04,040 does anyone else they just they big role 556 00:22:08,290 --> 00:22:06,860 role in our episode of episode like when 557 00:22:10,990 --> 00:22:08,300 they're doing TV addition after addition 558 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:11,000 and trying to trying to write cache in 559 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:12,050 with their subscribers the we're 560 00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:14,090 hopeless so yeah when we do TV we just 561 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:16,430 it just takes over we will you spend 14 562 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:18,140 15 hours a day we have time to do 563 00:22:22,930 --> 00:22:20,450 anything else that's TV is yeah anyway 564 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:22,940 the checkout is of course ABC TV 8 p.m. 565 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:25,010 on thursday thank you very much and it's 566 00:22:28,990 --> 00:22:27,530 whether the runs about 10 episodes or 567 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:29,000 something like that well it did last 568 00:22:32,980 --> 00:22:30,860 year this year we're going a little bit 569 00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:32,990 psycho we've got 20 episodes there's for 570 00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:34,310 best offers the middle there but there's 571 00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:37,430 20 in our oh yes yes you're gonna need a 572 00:22:42,550 --> 00:22:40,340 bit of you're gonna probably need some 573 00:22:44,050 --> 00:22:42,560 alternative medicine but here well i'm 574 00:22:45,490 --> 00:22:44,060 not just the end of that I certainly 575 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:45,500 finish that we start working on next 576 00:22:49,390 --> 00:22:46,910 chaser show which is at the end of this 577 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:49,400 year so it's give me a new format so I 578 00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:51,410 don't yeah well speaking of magazines 579 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:53,240 let me leave you with some of this for 580 00:22:58,690 --> 00:22:55,490 the team no yeah thank you very much the 581 00:23:01,540 --> 00:22:58,700 skipper I'm sure your team might even 582 00:23:03,820 --> 00:23:01,550 get an idea or two out of I tell you we 583 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:03,830 probably will I tell you alerted ish is 584 00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,770 Kirsten it was an absolute machine she 585 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:08,720 does devours all this kind of stuff she 586 00:23:12,670 --> 00:23:10,910 is like she's the reason that we get her 587 00:23:14,770 --> 00:23:12,680 on the attack dog pieces like yeah like 588 00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:14,780 like this train I'd like that like we 589 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:15,030 got 590 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,890 go rapport organic food coming up soon 591 00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:19,440 watch out for that one again she and the 592 00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:21,000 superfoods last year as well actually 593 00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:24,840 went through 40 scientific studies to to 594 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:26,340 produce that report she is just an 595 00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:27,750 exchange he's going to love it so let 596 00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:30,120 her know that she can certainly call on 597 00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:32,790 us for any advice or help or tips from 598 00:23:37,940 --> 00:23:35,100 our 30 plus years of looking into this 599 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:37,950 interesting area much appreciated Chaz 600 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:40,710 uh the the check out a great show please 601 00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:42,930 watch it everybody and thank you very 602 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:54,240 number time when gluten was sent to 603 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:01,660 for now we're under attack some estimate 604 00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:03,410 a million Australians are currently on 605 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:06,230 some form of gluten-free diet gluten is 606 00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:07,910 a protein found in foods like bread 607 00:24:17,650 --> 00:24:15,320 pastures cereals and experts have been 608 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:17,660 warning about the dangers of gluten for 609 00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:20,570 years experts like Gwyneth Paltrow 610 00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:23,180 Miranda Kerr miley cyrus and novak 611 00:24:27,790 --> 00:24:25,670 djokovic is dog all advocate avoiding 612 00:24:29,530 --> 00:24:27,800 gluten to lose weight get fit and even 613 00:24:32,110 --> 00:24:29,540 clear up your skin so why is it the 614 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:32,120 gluten is suddenly so bad for us let's 615 00:24:36,340 --> 00:24:34,130 check to an expert to find out can you 616 00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:36,350 explain to us why so many Australians 617 00:24:49,090 --> 00:24:41,870 are currently going gluten free yeah 618 00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:49,100 he's gonna work so can you tell me why 619 00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:50,780 more people are going gluten-free the 620 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:52,460 calmness reason is a condition called 621 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:54,530 celiac disease this is an autoimmune 622 00:24:59,260 --> 00:24:56,930 condition whereby affected individuals 623 00:25:01,780 --> 00:24:59,270 consume gluten acquire a lot of damage 624 00:25:03,790 --> 00:25:01,790 to the small intestine and sometimes 625 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:03,800 other organs as a consequence of this 626 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:05,690 right and so how many people are 627 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:07,310 affected by that about one in a hundred 628 00:25:11,740 --> 00:25:09,410 Australians there is another group as 629 00:25:13,420 --> 00:25:11,750 perhaps a smaller group of people who do 630 00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:13,430 not feel so good when they're consumed 631 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,830 gluten there is no scientific basis for 632 00:25:20,110 --> 00:25:18,320 this and no scientific explanation and 633 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:20,120 in particular there are no diagnostic 634 00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:22,490 tests or blood tests for this condition 635 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:26,740 wait stop don't move cupcake so soon oh 636 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:30,080 I'm a free on yeah you keep walking free 637 00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:34,789 sorry about that so if you're not a 638 00:25:38,780 --> 00:25:37,080 celiac is there any benefit to go in 639 00:25:41,270 --> 00:25:38,790 building free there is no evidence our 640 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:41,280 gluten-free diet has beneficial in fact 641 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:43,049 it is difficult to achieve weight loss 642 00:25:48,049 --> 00:25:45,570 often on a gluten-free diet as often 643 00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:48,059 gluten-free products are supplemented 644 00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,220 with fat and sugar to make them more 645 00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:52,919 palatable and tasty I mean compare these 646 00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:54,900 two san remo products are recently 647 00:25:59,270 --> 00:25:57,000 purchased from kohls you serve them on 648 00:26:02,510 --> 00:25:59,280 the desk yes and the gluten-free 649 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:02,520 products has twenty-five percent more 650 00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:05,130 fat and three times the sugar content so 651 00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:07,350 possible that that's good for you no not 652 00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:08,760 unless you have selected these are 653 00:26:12,740 --> 00:26:10,679 gluten intolerant see that's interesting 654 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:12,750 because according to this report of a 655 00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:14,250 cold survey which by the way calls 656 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:15,720 hasn't published and refused to give us 657 00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:17,970 a copy of around fifty percent of people 658 00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:20,460 who buy gluten-free do so cuz they 659 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:22,260 reckon it's healthier remember the halo 660 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:24,690 effect even foods healthy in one area 661 00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,490 you might wrongly assume that a healthy 662 00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:29,220 in other ways to my mattress is a 663 00:26:35,419 --> 00:26:33,840 cupcake I'm a free on maybe when we see 664 00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:35,429 gluten free on a packet we assume that 665 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:37,380 it's healthy in other ways and if we 666 00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:39,090 think that then maybe we're willing to 667 00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:41,070 pay a little bit more for it but how 668 00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:43,590 much more remember the same Reno can a 669 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:45,900 the gluten-free version is two hundred 670 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:48,090 and fifty percent more expensive than 671 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:50,910 the normal version oh you just have 672 00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:52,890 those websites on hand yes and according 673 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:55,020 to select Australia costs a thousand 674 00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:56,850 extra dollars each year to go 675 00:27:02,120 --> 00:26:59,610 gluten-free wow thanks about being a dog 676 00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:02,130 and here's another thing some products 677 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:04,350 like this gluten-free bacon never had 678 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,970 gluten in them to begin with or if they 679 00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:07,980 did it was in completely negligible 680 00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:10,500 quantities still doesn't hurt to give 681 00:27:13,550 --> 00:27:11,820 you product to point of difference oh 682 00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:13,560 look honey 683 00:27:18,620 --> 00:27:15,630 bacon contains no angry swarms of bees 684 00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:18,630 what a relief make sure you pair that 685 00:27:25,550 --> 00:27:21,660 bacon with this gluten-free salt gluten 686 00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,560 free because you know its salt and if 687 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:27,120 you really want to waste some money why 688 00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:28,950 not treat yourself to some gluten free 689 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:32,460 shampoo yours for just 2695 even though 690 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,170 the gluten shampoo wouldn't be 691 00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:36,480 problematic for celiacs unless they ate 692 00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:39,870 it hey wait for me so unless you're a 693 00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,030 celiac or gluten intolerant and you're 694 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,860 not there's no reason why you can't sit 695 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:46,320 down to a delightful gluten meal you can 696 00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:47,730 do suspect that you're gluten intolerant 697 00:28:06,740 --> 00:27:51,990 and it's best to speak to a doctor no a 698 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:06,750 real doctor hey this is jay novela from 699 00:28:09,740 --> 00:28:07,710 the skeptics guide to the universe 700 00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:09,750 podcast did you know that there are 701 00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,430 thousands of skeptical reports 702 00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:13,440 interviews and investigations going back 703 00:28:19,910 --> 00:28:15,030 to nineteen eighty one free to download 704 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,920 just visit w WC epic coa you click the 705 00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:21,840 publications link and enjoy almost every 706 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:23,820 back issue of the skeptic the journal 707 00:28:27,290 --> 00:28:25,770 from australian skeptics you can also 708 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:27,300 subscribe online and get the latest 709 00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,610 digital or hard copy of this the world's 710 00:28:35,270 --> 00:28:31,620 second oldest skeptical magazine that's 711 00:28:43,770 --> 00:28:35,280 ww skeptics com au or just google 712 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:46,840 we spend a lot of time talking but do we 713 00:28:50,290 --> 00:28:48,170 actually talk about the things that 714 00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:50,300 matter have you talked to your loved 715 00:29:02,620 --> 00:28:52,070 ones about what happens to your organs 716 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:02,630 after you die organ donation is not as 717 00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:04,730 simple as you may think only a small 718 00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,500 percentage of people who die can 719 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:09,440 actually become donors first you need to 720 00:29:13,450 --> 00:29:11,630 die in a hospital organs deteriorate 721 00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:13,460 quickly once you die because they lack 722 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:15,860 oxygen this means they won't be healthy 723 00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:17,710 enough to donate if you died elsewhere 724 00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:20,420 even with this however there are very 725 00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:22,400 specific criteria that needs to be met 726 00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:24,560 before someone can donate with each 727 00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:26,990 organ having different criteria these 728 00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:29,030 include a wide range of factors for both 729 00:29:35,050 --> 00:29:33,590 donor and recipient a person can only 730 00:29:37,210 --> 00:29:35,060 donate their organs once I've been 731 00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:37,220 pronounced brain-dead meaning they can't 732 00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:40,220 think feel respond or breathe 733 00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:43,400 independently a diagnosis of brain death 734 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:45,320 must be given by two separate doctors 735 00:29:49,770 --> 00:29:47,930 before the donors organs can even be 736 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:49,780 considered for transplantation 737 00:29:53,890 --> 00:29:52,190 additionally the criteria ensure that 738 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:53,900 people receiving the organs have the 739 00:29:58,330 --> 00:29:56,330 best chance of survival with every donor 740 00:30:00,490 --> 00:29:58,340 being capable of transforming the lives 741 00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:00,500 of 10 or more people it's really 742 00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,870 important that the organs use the best 743 00:30:06,790 --> 00:30:04,880 they can if you want to register to 744 00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:06,800 become a donor discuss it with your 745 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:08,840 family first then goes to the Donate 746 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:11,210 Life website to find out more and now 747 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,290 for fast facts about organ donation 748 00:30:21,530 --> 00:30:18,360 the first human organ transplant took 749 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:21,540 place in 1883 a thyroid transplantation 750 00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:24,450 by Swiss surgeon tier door cutter one of 751 00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:26,520 the major issues is rejection of the 752 00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:29,070 organ by the recipients body this is 753 00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:30,990 minimized by reducing the effectiveness 754 00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:33,390 of the recipients immune system the 755 00:30:38,390 --> 00:30:36,300 first heart transplantation was in 1967 756 00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:38,400 by christiaan barnard a South African 757 00:30:43,790 --> 00:30:41,070 surgeon and research is continuing into 758 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:43,800 xenotransplantation using animal cells 759 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:46,020 or organs to transplant into humans 760 00:30:50,150 --> 00:30:48,870 which could ease organ waiting lists one 761 00:30:51,770 --> 00:30:50,160 to find out more about organ 762 00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:51,780 transplantation head to our website 763 00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:53,940 where we have some more information and 764 00:31:10,310 --> 00:30:55,350 we'll catch you right back here next 765 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:10,320 week did you see that UFO sighting that 766 00:31:14,420 --> 00:31:12,750 made the news what did that latest study 767 00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:14,430 about alternative treatments really say 768 00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:16,860 is this photo making the rounds real or 769 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:19,830 hoax doubtful news is a unique website 770 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:21,690 featuring news about pseudoscience the 771 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:23,850 paranormal anomalies and questionable 772 00:31:28,790 --> 00:31:25,550 claims framed with the skeptical view 773 00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:28,800 come visit doleful newscom every day for 774 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:31,260 news about cryptozoology conspiracies 775 00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:34,410 shams scams and more follow us on 776 00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:36,900 twitter at doubtful news critical 777 00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:38,460 thinking is essential in assessing 778 00:31:47,290 --> 00:31:40,740 today's news duffel news helps you 779 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:51,480 this is the cosmos 780 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:53,790 network of a hundred billion galaxies 781 00:32:16,790 --> 00:31:58,090 and it's the greatest story science has 782 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:19,430 life on Earth there's one of unsolved 783 00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:23,130 mysteries of science come with me our 784 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,900 and welcome everybody we're really 785 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,120 pleased to have you here with us tonight 786 00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:53,440 to share the premiere screening of 787 00:32:58,410 --> 00:32:56,560 cosmos a spacetime Odyssey and we're 788 00:33:00,930 --> 00:32:58,420 very lucky to matter to have the 789 00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:00,940 presence of Andrew and Neil deGrasse 790 00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:05,140 Tyson who are on a four continent global 791 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:07,960 promotional tour in and we have them 792 00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,200 here in Sydney there are many many 793 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:13,360 fantastic television shows that are 794 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,120 produced every year but there are only a 795 00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:18,640 few there are truly groundbreaking and 796 00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:21,700 iconic and the original cosmos series 797 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:25,000 was one of those shows 30 years later 798 00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:28,090 it's time to bring it back and to bring 799 00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:30,790 it back to audiences around the world in 800 00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:34,060 what will be like jason said the largest 801 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:36,280 global launch event for a television 802 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:39,250 series we're going to be premiering it 803 00:33:44,010 --> 00:33:41,170 across all of National Geographic 804 00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:44,020 channel's and across all Fox channels 805 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:48,400 around the world in 171 countries in 45 806 00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:51,970 languages at National Geographic we're 807 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:55,060 passionate about exploration it's in our 808 00:34:01,320 --> 00:33:58,210 DNA and cosmos a spacetime Odyssey 809 00:34:04,410 --> 00:34:01,330 represents a stunning epic journey into 810 00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:04,420 a new age of exploration the series 811 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:06,340 aspires to bring the wonders of the 812 00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:08,410 universe to the broadest possible 813 00:34:13,870 --> 00:34:11,140 audience through stunning visuals and 814 00:34:17,140 --> 00:34:13,880 outstanding storytelling 815 00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:17,150 this is a thrilling 13-part series I 816 00:34:23,050 --> 00:34:19,910 hope you really enjoy tonight ask all 817 00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:23,060 the questions you want to us and you 818 00:34:28,270 --> 00:34:25,310 won't get too many opportunities to meet 819 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:28,280 Neil and an and ask them whatever you 820 00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:38,170 want to us thank you very much so 821 00:34:59,980 --> 00:34:41,800 without further ado can I please welcome 822 00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:02,530 so before we get into the question time 823 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:04,500 typist on a bit of a journey through a 824 00:35:18,020 --> 00:35:07,170 cosmos the revisiting of one of the most 825 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,220 well it was my honor to write the 826 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:25,420 original cosmos series with the great 827 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:28,870 Carl thing and when astrophysicist 828 00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:34,330 Steven Soter so 35 years ago and seven 829 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:38,260 years ago I began setting out to produce 830 00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:41,770 and to write with Steven Soter the new 831 00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:43,990 cosmos series 832 00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:47,140 very one of our first decisions 833 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:50,740 was to invite Neil deGrasse Tyson to 834 00:35:55,060 --> 00:35:52,630 join us 835 00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,070 and I think 836 00:36:01,240 --> 00:35:58,160 the medical reasons why we made that 837 00:36:07,210 --> 00:36:01,250 choice will become crystal clear during 838 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:07,220 the course of the next 15 News so we now 839 00:36:14,290 --> 00:36:11,810 have a new 13 hours 13 hours of Cosmos 840 00:36:17,620 --> 00:36:14,300 experience in the world thanks to 841 00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:17,630 National Geographic and Fox we have been 842 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:20,359 given as you've just heard 843 00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:24,890 the life broadest tallest possible 844 00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:28,270 platform in which to do so 845 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:31,660 cosmos as you probably all know is the 846 00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:34,810 great story of the universe as revealed 847 00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:38,020 by science it's also the story of the 848 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:42,520 searchers who helped us establish our 849 00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:46,050 imperfect and incomplete understanding 850 00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:51,040 of the vastness it's also a journey 851 00:36:59,760 --> 00:36:55,380 across the universe of space and in time 852 00:37:01,770 --> 00:36:59,770 and love to turn over to kneel to 853 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:01,780 complete our little introduction she 854 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:09,290 cosmos I think distinguishes itself from 855 00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:12,820 the traditional documentary where 856 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:15,100 nowadays when you go tune into a 857 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:16,690 documentary there's some expectations 858 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:18,610 you have and typically they're fulfilled 859 00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:21,010 the documentary teachers use some 860 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:24,190 frontier subject that's been updated 861 00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:27,670 recently or perhaps it'll it'll be a 862 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:31,180 little more sort of pedantic and will 863 00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:33,430 give you basic information about some 864 00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,670 knowledge of typically a page torn from 865 00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:39,520 a textbook and that's fine that's fine 866 00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:43,990 but cosmos original and I think we've 867 00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:46,990 succeeded in continuing this epic 868 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:49,510 adventure we do more than that yes 869 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:51,880 there's science to learn no doubt about 870 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:54,460 it but what's more important than even 871 00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:57,010 the science to learn is why the science 872 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:01,440 matters to you as a human being to 873 00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:06,010 culture to our capacity to be good 874 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:10,720 shepherds of civilization and it's this 875 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:13,450 messaging that is throughout cusp of the 876 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:15,490 original and the new one that 877 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:19,210 distinguishes what cosmos is and what it 878 00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:21,310 will mean to you after you've observed 879 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:26,800 it and so people always ask me us well 880 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:28,900 the bottom how much science has 881 00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,250 happened in the last 35 years what did 882 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:33,040 you have to add and yeah sure there's 883 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:34,990 what the multiverse we got that all 884 00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:38,530 right the plateau is a thousand planets 885 00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:41,470 discovered orbiting other stars beyond 886 00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:46,140 the Sun we got that right we were there 887 00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:49,000 but without a thread that connects it 888 00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:53,230 back to us it would just be information 889 00:39:00,900 --> 00:38:57,190 rather than wisdom and so if we 890 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:00,910 succeeded as in the way we think we have 891 00:39:08,330 --> 00:39:03,670 duly continued this epic adventure begun 892 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:08,340 by carl sagan how do you find the 893 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:10,330 accessibility of the science was that a 894 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:13,090 challenge in the new series be it wasn't 895 00:39:17,310 --> 00:39:14,890 a challenge because i'm not a scientist 896 00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:17,320 and so I know if I don't understand 897 00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:19,750 something then my friends in the 898 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:22,990 audience will not understand also and I 899 00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:24,930 think the important thing is to 900 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:29,800 communicate and to connect and I hope 901 00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:31,930 you'll feel that we haven't in any way 902 00:39:42,030 --> 00:39:36,060 dumb down the science in these 13 hours 903 00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:42,040 but as Carl Sagan taught us all there's 904 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:45,190 a way to say it through that everyone 905 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:47,710 from a smallest child 906 00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:51,730 to the person lost this August 907 00:40:00,060 --> 00:39:55,780 scientists can appreciate the meaning 908 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:00,070 and a significant and I think that all 909 00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:04,570 of us remember the singular poetry that 910 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:10,270 Carl brought to joy of understanding a 911 00:40:17,260 --> 00:40:13,060 little bit about the beauty and the 912 00:40:19,090 --> 00:40:17,270 bestest of which we are a part 913 00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:19,100 do you feel neil communicating the 914 00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:20,750 science on the show that the 915 00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:23,150 responsibility of potentially changing 916 00:40:28,690 --> 00:40:26,030 government policy I mean this is oh yeah 917 00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,700 I mean people said people say oh well 918 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:31,520 Commons be good for kids yeah but adults 919 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:33,770 outnumber kids five to one in the world 920 00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:36,890 and adults run things and wield 921 00:40:46,330 --> 00:40:41,590 resources and have all power and and so 922 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:46,340 I would expect if cosmos succeeds as we 923 00:40:51,490 --> 00:40:50,090 intend that whether or not you see 924 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:51,500 cosmos and say I want to become a 925 00:40:56,980 --> 00:40:53,810 scientist that'd be good okay I don't 926 00:41:00,310 --> 00:40:56,990 know probably bad yeah yeah yeah but you 927 00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:00,320 work more likely statistically is that 928 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:03,470 the entire communities of people who 929 00:41:08,290 --> 00:41:05,330 would have never thought to think about 930 00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:08,300 science before and the way it's been 931 00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:10,070 presented in cosmos and it may then 932 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:14,300 influence their future thinking about 933 00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,250 policy about society about I mean think 934 00:41:24,490 --> 00:41:21,680 about it their needs we now have in the 935 00:41:27,490 --> 00:41:24,500 21st century transportation energy and 936 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:27,500 the conflict the duality between the 937 00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:29,930 needs for energy and the consequences of 938 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:32,030 burning fossil fuels on the very 939 00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:35,510 environment than providing us stable 940 00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:39,260 climate to conduct these activities so 941 00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,040 we become the seeds of our own undoing 942 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:46,160 and one of the greatest tragedies of the 943 00:41:51,490 --> 00:41:49,250 galaxy would be that our civilization 944 00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:51,500 collapses for reasons that we had 945 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:54,440 foresight to predict and the power to 946 00:42:00,280 --> 00:41:58,010 stop yet didn't and in my twitter stream 947 00:42:02,530 --> 00:42:00,290 i occasionally reflect upon how 948 00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,540 embarrassed I be if an alien landed next 949 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:04,400 to me I had to tell them yeah we're 950 00:42:08,090 --> 00:42:06,290 pulling fossil fuels out of the ground 951 00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:08,100 is that how you're getting 952 00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:09,900 energy when all the universe is 953 00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,510 unlimited sources and and so the 954 00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:14,640 conversation I have I said okay Alec 955 00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:16,230 come back to in 100 years all right 956 00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:18,500 maybe we are got something show me that 957 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:22,800 exactly at the heart of cosmos is how do 958 00:42:30,110 --> 00:42:27,650 you get the public to stop 959 00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:30,120 compartmentalizing the scientific 960 00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:33,900 information that we get when we hold 961 00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:37,070 something wholly unrelated in our hearts 962 00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:39,360 cosmos think about breaking down that 963 00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,350 wall before it's too late so that we 964 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:45,720 begin to take to heart not only the 965 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:47,810 warnings of the scientific community 966 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:49,990 most urgently 967 00:42:58,980 --> 00:42:56,410 but also the beauty of our origins where 968 00:43:02,280 --> 00:42:58,990 we came from of the continuity of the 969 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:02,290 life that stretches back almost 4 970 00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:07,570 billion years on this planet I hope that 971 00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,119 the cosmos can accomplish anything it 972 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:13,020 would be to break down that denial and 973 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:18,010 to awaken us from our stupor and begin 974 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:21,010 to protect that continuity and value it 975 00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,730 above anything else yeah I add that I 976 00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:26,700 imagine that there are three categories 977 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:30,630 there's more than three button for this 978 00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:34,180 three broad kinds of people they're the 979 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:35,440 people who are already sort of 980 00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:37,330 comfortable comfortable with science 981 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:41,020 sort of a geek set right d chic and so 982 00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:44,530 we got there we got there there we got 983 00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:47,800 any of the people who never knew that 984 00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:50,860 they would like songz run bracelet p and 985 00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:52,990 the cosmos would then be an awakening 986 00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:56,440 for them that the ignition of a flame 987 00:44:01,950 --> 00:43:59,400 that can burn deeply within them 988 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:01,960 awakening perhaps if you will their 989 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:04,330 inner geek there's a third category i 990 00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:06,250 think is the most challenging and I 991 00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:08,200 think we might even succeed there as 992 00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:10,030 well this is the community of people 993 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,520 that as far as they're concerned they 994 00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,280 know they don't like science the science 995 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:18,160 is not for that the Site may be there 996 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:20,650 the walking wounded from their days in 997 00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:23,170 school I have to having an injured in 998 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:26,200 science classes but there's surely a 999 00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:28,690 community of people that were Jack sites 1000 00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:31,020 for whatever reasons be it some other 1001 00:44:36,060 --> 00:44:34,660 conflicting bit of philosophy the 1002 00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:36,070 political philosophy religious 1003 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:39,460 philosophy any outlook you have the 1004 00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,510 forces you to reject it cosmos will be 1005 00:44:48,839 --> 00:44:45,760 very visible to them I think it'll be 1006 00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:48,849 hard to channel sir past it 1007 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:50,680 studying visualizations of the universe 1008 00:44:57,539 --> 00:44:53,890 the tenderness with which information is 1009 00:45:00,019 --> 00:44:57,549 conveyed the soulfulness with which you 1010 00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:00,029 learn what our place is in the universe 1011 00:45:06,479 --> 00:45:03,460 it's not i'm not there pontificating I'm 1012 00:45:09,479 --> 00:45:06,489 not up on high requiring that you pay 1013 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:09,489 attention to me this is an offering and 1014 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:12,970 I think at my best I'm I come out of the 1015 00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:15,849 screen and I'm sitting XD and we're just 1016 00:46:01,390 --> 00:45:19,359 talking about the universe on that night 1017 00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,279 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1018 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,200 zone and as promised as promised here 1019 00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,359 are the details of how you can win that 1020 00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,240 wonderful cosmos pack courtesy of the 1021 00:46:15,859 --> 00:46:14,160 national geographic channel I have one 1022 00:46:17,749 --> 00:46:15,869 pack to give away for an Australian 1023 00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:17,759 listener and one pack to give away for 1024 00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:19,859 an international listener at the moment 1025 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:21,660 all those people who are coming to 1026 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:23,730 Sydney skeptics in the pub by the way 1027 00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:26,130 I've got another prize pack to give away 1028 00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,710 they're another price pack probably for 1029 00:46:34,339 --> 00:46:31,200 the dinner coming up and well so on 1030 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:34,349 anyway getting back to the competition 1031 00:46:43,009 --> 00:46:37,130 now to make it fair all you have to do 1032 00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:43,019 is come up with a number between 1 and 1 1033 00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:46,500 billion in this case that's a thousand 1034 00:46:51,529 --> 00:46:48,630 million not a million million so a 1035 00:46:54,579 --> 00:46:51,539 number between one and a thousand 1036 00:46:59,660 --> 00:46:54,589 million write that number in an email 1037 00:47:03,410 --> 00:46:59,670 addressed to cosmos at skeptic zone dot 1038 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:03,420 TV the person with the closest number to 1039 00:47:08,269 --> 00:47:05,970 the randomly selected number in 1040 00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:08,279 Australia will win a cosmos pack and 1041 00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,950 also the same for the person who has the 1042 00:47:16,009 --> 00:47:12,480 closest number to a randomly selected 1043 00:47:18,289 --> 00:47:16,019 number internationally the competition 1044 00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:18,299 will close at midnight on the 6th of 1045 00:47:24,799 --> 00:47:21,630 March that's this coming Thursday which 1046 00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:24,809 midnight you might ask your local time 1047 00:47:30,769 --> 00:47:26,819 midnight in other words when the last 1048 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,779 midnight on in the world on the six of 1049 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:32,160 March has gone that's when the 1050 00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:34,650 competition closes so there it is send 1051 00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,079 an email with your guests of a number 1052 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,599 between one and one thousand million 1053 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:42,720 addressed to cosmos at skeptics own TV 1054 00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:45,210 you could put competition in the subject 1055 00:47:51,259 --> 00:47:47,730 line and I'll announce the winners on 1056 00:47:53,539 --> 00:47:51,269 next week's show and don't forget for 1057 00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,549 those listeners in Australia tune in to 1058 00:47:58,460 --> 00:47:56,099 the National Geographic Channel Sunday 1059 00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,470 March the 16th at seven-thirty p.m. for 1060 00:48:03,259 --> 00:48:00,660 the first episode of cosmos and 1061 00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,269 everybody else around the world check 1062 00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:06,000 your local listings but for now this is 1063 00:48:12,980 --> 00:48:08,910 Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney 1064 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:15,390 you've been listening to the skeptic 1065 00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:20,410 zone visit our website at www skeptics